Comments on: The Long And Winding Bore http://www.stochastica.net/2005/12/05/the-long-and-winding-bore/ It's got a point, if only you can find it... Tue, 01 Dec 2009 02:03:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Carthy http://www.stochastica.net/2005/12/05/the-long-and-winding-bore/comment-page-1/#comment-66231 Carthy Thu, 12 Jul 2007 20:49:41 +0000 http://www.stochastica.net/?p=273#comment-66231 Hilarious... Hilarious…

]]> By: +: etcetera :+ » Three for the price of one http://www.stochastica.net/2005/12/05/the-long-and-winding-bore/comment-page-1/#comment-2594 +: etcetera :+ » Three for the price of one Sun, 05 Feb 2006 08:49:51 +0000 http://www.stochastica.net/?p=273#comment-2594 [...] Thavamai Thavamirundhu: Long, but alright Karthik already wrote about this movie. Just wanted to add my two cents’ worth. I quite liked the movie. If Aadhi was good because it was bad, Thavamai Thavamirundhu is good because it could have been so much worse. I have seen this plot lots of times before, mostly by Visu. I am grateful to Cheran because he doesn’t go over-board as Visu does. People are treated badly in this movie, but they don’t rave and rant like they usually do in Tamil movies. I agree with Karthik that we could have done without all the cycling they do in this movie, but am willing to forgive Cheran anything for putting together a simple story, and keeping it simple. And I think I liked the movie also because my parents, who don’t watch very many movies, did watch this one, and really liked it. Had I watched it with them, I might have felt obliged to protest against any number of things about this movie – the length, the crying, the cycling, the printing press, the omnipresent misery… but I didn’t watch the movie with them. Just thought of how it might be like to be back home again, and make silly arguments just to tick my parents off… And mostly for that, I liked Thavamai Thavamirundhu. [...] [...] Thavamai Thavamirundhu: Long, but alright Karthik already wrote about this movie. Just wanted to add my two cents’ worth. I quite liked the movie. If Aadhi was good because it was bad, Thavamai Thavamirundhu is good because it could have been so much worse. I have seen this plot lots of times before, mostly by Visu. I am grateful to Cheran because he doesn’t go over-board as Visu does. People are treated badly in this movie, but they don’t rave and rant like they usually do in Tamil movies. I agree with Karthik that we could have done without all the cycling they do in this movie, but am willing to forgive Cheran anything for putting together a simple story, and keeping it simple. And I think I liked the movie also because my parents, who don’t watch very many movies, did watch this one, and really liked it. Had I watched it with them, I might have felt obliged to protest against any number of things about this movie – the length, the crying, the cycling, the printing press, the omnipresent misery… but I didn’t watch the movie with them. Just thought of how it might be like to be back home again, and make silly arguments just to tick my parents off… And mostly for that, I liked Thavamai Thavamirundhu. [...]

]]> By: inlivenout http://www.stochastica.net/2005/12/05/the-long-and-winding-bore/comment-page-1/#comment-2336 inlivenout Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:30:44 +0000 http://www.stochastica.net/?p=273#comment-2336 Vijay,read that line once again."what HE wants to in the way THEY want it".Its meaning is a helluva lot of different from what you have perceived. Vijay,read that line once again.”what HE wants to in the way THEY want it”.Its meaning is a helluva lot of different from what you have perceived.

]]> By: vijay http://www.stochastica.net/2005/12/05/the-long-and-winding-bore/comment-page-1/#comment-2335 vijay Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:44:48 +0000 http://www.stochastica.net/?p=273#comment-2335 "He just gives the ‘mass’ what he wants to in the way they want it." inlivenout,What do you mean by Cheran caters to the mass? Now, I can think of Sivakaasi as catering to the "mass", but how in the world is Thavaamai catering to the mass? If anything, Cheran is known as a filmmaker who has a strong conviction in what he wants to say and how he says it. That explains why he refused to trim the film down or insert item numbers. Lengthy or not, boring or not is subjective. I have read many reviews where the movie seems to have struck a chord somwhere in the viewer's heart. Many seem to identify with characters and situations in Cheran;'s films, (just like how Karthik feels many would identify with or would have seen Raymond Carver's characters). But Cheran is not one who gives what the mass wants. He is a guy who talks straight from the heart and thats a refreshing rarity in the tamil film world. “He just gives the ‘mass’ what he wants to in the way they want it.”

inlivenout,What do you mean by Cheran caters to the mass? Now, I can think of Sivakaasi as catering to the “mass”, but how in the world is Thavaamai catering to the mass? If anything, Cheran is known as a filmmaker who has a strong conviction in what he wants to say and how he says it. That explains why he refused to trim the film down or insert item numbers. Lengthy or not, boring or not is subjective. I have read many reviews where the movie seems to have struck a chord somwhere in the viewer’s heart. Many seem to identify with characters and situations in Cheran;’s films, (just like how Karthik feels many would identify with or would have seen Raymond Carver’s characters). But Cheran is not one who gives what the mass wants. He is a guy who talks straight from the heart and thats a refreshing rarity in the tamil film world.

]]> By: inlivenout http://www.stochastica.net/2005/12/05/the-long-and-winding-bore/comment-page-1/#comment-2334 inlivenout Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:59:53 +0000 http://www.stochastica.net/?p=273#comment-2334 Karthik,you got me wrong in the comparison part.Who cares a damn about TT or any other movie doing well or not?I brought in the comparison of other movies coz I felt meaningful cinema seems to be a 'past' thing. Lukewarm?Ofcourse not.If I had written a review,it would've been worse.I have seen enough of hubby-listenin-to-wife-sayin-tatabbye-2-parents n son-wrongdoing-learnin d hard way-dad n mom mannichifyin-living happily ever after,stuff,I dont want one Cheran to tell that to me.The point is not about 'tryin' somethin 'different'.But to throw the truth at the viewer's face and tell him,"You dont wanna believe it.But its reality.Your opinion doesnt change it".I liked his guts to keep on taking subjects that is taboo not to the society but to the individual.He could've chosen a far better way to show it;but,the moment a director decides to hit hard,he tries the 'heart' and forgets the 'mind'.Mediocrity.I dont blame him.He just gives the 'mass' what he wants to in the way they want it.He is too much in love with his creation that he forgot to look beyond it.The movie is worth a watch,for that love,and nothing more. PS: Majaa,Sivakasi,Chandramukhi. I havent watched any of them. Karthik,you got me wrong in the comparison part.Who cares a damn about TT or any other movie doing well or not?I brought in the comparison of other movies coz I felt meaningful cinema seems to be a ‘past’ thing.

Lukewarm?Ofcourse not.If I had written a review,it would’ve been worse.I have seen enough of hubby-listenin-to-wife-sayin-tatabbye-2-parents n son-wrongdoing-learnin d hard way-dad n mom mannichifyin-living happily ever after,stuff,I dont want one Cheran to tell that to me.The point is not about ‘tryin’ somethin ‘different’.But to throw the truth at the viewer’s face and tell him,”You dont wanna believe it.But its reality.Your opinion doesnt change it”.I liked his guts to keep on taking subjects that is taboo not to the society but to the individual.He could’ve chosen a far better way to show it;but,the moment a director decides to hit hard,he tries the ‘heart’ and forgets the ‘mind’.Mediocrity.I dont blame him.He just gives the ‘mass’ what he wants to in the way they want it.He is too much in love with his creation that he forgot to look beyond it.The movie is worth a watch,for that love,and nothing more.

PS: Majaa,Sivakasi,Chandramukhi. I havent watched any of them.

]]> By: Karthik http://www.stochastica.net/2005/12/05/the-long-and-winding-bore/comment-page-1/#comment-2332 Karthik Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:32:34 +0000 http://www.stochastica.net/?p=273#comment-2332 inlivenout, I'm think you agreed with my review, right? Lukewarm, sorta, just a bit... maybe? But you threw me off at the end - I guess your argument is that there are other sucky movies that did well, so this one should do well too. But I'm not sure why this movie sucked any less than Sivakasi: Is it because the director "tried" to be "different?" I've had many comments in this vein, but I can't for the life of me figure out why Majaa or Sivakasi are any worse than this movie... inlivenout, I’m think you agreed with my review, right? Lukewarm, sorta, just a bit… maybe? But you threw me off at the end – I guess your argument is that there are other sucky movies that did well, so this one should do well too.

But I’m not sure why this movie sucked any less than Sivakasi: Is it because the director “tried” to be “different?” I’ve had many comments in this vein, but I can’t for the life of me figure out why Majaa or Sivakasi are any worse than this movie…

]]> By: inlivenout http://www.stochastica.net/2005/12/05/the-long-and-winding-bore/comment-page-1/#comment-2330 inlivenout Sun, 11 Dec 2005 23:28:28 +0000 http://www.stochastica.net/?p=273#comment-2330 Hey dude, The world is too big. And there are times when one tends to boo reality- an implication of the aforesaid statement. Having said that, focus shifts to the movie. Tear-jerker, agreed. Too long, agreed. Slow pace, agreed. Senti and emotions in surplus, agreed. That is, High dose, agreed. Follows the disagreements- The movie is not for people who relate to it but for the ones who identify themselves with the characters in it. Portray too much of everything?! Oh yeah, it had to be that way. Get out, say "nice movie,machi" and forget TT was not the director's motive. Inspite of the "Blade thaangala", "padathukku 'kanneer'nu peyr vechirukkalam" talks, if it makes one son feel guilty or make one father feel "Atlast,man,someone has got the guts to voice for me", thats >enough. Best movie? Nope. Best story? Nope. Best direction? Nope. Best Music, Ofcourse not. Best Actor,Yes.(Rajkiran deserves it. After all,try substituting Sivaji in his role and one can imagine the outcome). But, may be, TT will get all the above awards and a lot more. You know our jury. Thats not the point. When a high-tech-idea-suttufication bore like 'Ghajini', nothing-but-shit 'Majaa', image-build-up 'Sivakasi', kaadhula-poo-suthifying 'Chandramukhi' (no offences,Rajni fans;I was also one, till 'Thalapathi') can become super hits, TT has all the rights to be considered a good movie. Cheran places his entire movie on 'what he believes in'. The long and winding bore is worth a watch, for nuances of the following sort: "Manasu apdidhaanpa aasapadum. Aana,kashtamnu vandha nammala mundhikkittu azhum". Emotional crap sucks. (Emotional crap) minus crap,with a purpose doesnt. Corny? LOL. Zoom in. Hey dude,
The world is too big. And there are times when one tends to boo reality- an implication of the aforesaid statement. Having said that, focus shifts to the movie. Tear-jerker, agreed. Too long, agreed. Slow pace, agreed. Senti and emotions in surplus, agreed. That is, High dose, agreed. Follows the disagreements- The movie is not for people who relate to it but for the ones who identify themselves with the characters in it. Portray too much of everything?! Oh yeah, it had to be that way. Get out, say “nice movie,machi” and forget TT was not the director’s motive. Inspite of the “Blade thaangala”, “padathukku ‘kanneer’nu peyr vechirukkalam” talks, if it makes one son feel guilty or make one father feel “Atlast,man,someone has got the guts to voice for me”, thats >enough. Best movie? Nope. Best story? Nope. Best direction? Nope. Best Music, Ofcourse not. Best Actor,Yes.(Rajkiran deserves it. After all,try substituting Sivaji in his role and one can imagine the outcome). But, may be, TT will get all the above awards and a lot more. You know our jury. Thats not the point. When a high-tech-idea-suttufication bore like ‘Ghajini’, nothing-but-shit ‘Majaa’, image-build-up ‘Sivakasi’, kaadhula-poo-suthifying ‘Chandramukhi’ (no offences,Rajni fans;I was also one, till ‘Thalapathi’) can become super hits, TT has all the rights to be considered a good movie. Cheran places his entire movie on ‘what he believes in’. The long and winding bore is worth a watch, for nuances of the following sort: “Manasu apdidhaanpa aasapadum. Aana,kashtamnu vandha nammala mundhikkittu azhum”. Emotional crap sucks. (Emotional crap) minus crap,with a purpose doesnt. Corny? LOL. Zoom in.

]]> By: the_soliloquist http://www.stochastica.net/2005/12/05/the-long-and-winding-bore/comment-page-1/#comment-2323 the_soliloquist Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:59:32 +0000 http://www.stochastica.net/?p=273#comment-2323 hey karthik... arty directors get all the more arty with the sucess of each arty film.. This is one director who tries to capture relationships in a emotionally highlightend manner.. Not a realistic portayal.. Autograph had that malaise.. I still remember, it was the last day of my college, our class guys had actually funded our idea of a class wide all girl movie, and we very all very enthu abt whistling at the hero's entry .. and ended up having to console two of the ladies, badly affected victims of the tear-jerker flick.. Though it had a poigant style, every character except that of kanika(guest role) crying was simply too much of an onslaught for a sane mind... Since then, i ve decided to be doubly careful Cheran's projects.. and ur review confirms i wasnt entirely wrong..Zanny presentation.. Say hi to Smith as well.. hey karthik…
arty directors get all the more arty with the sucess of each arty film.. This is one director who tries to capture relationships in a emotionally highlightend manner.. Not a realistic portayal..
Autograph had that malaise.. I still remember, it was the last day of my college, our class guys had actually funded our idea of a class wide all girl movie, and we very all very enthu abt whistling at the hero’s entry .. and ended up having to console two of the ladies, badly affected victims of the tear-jerker flick.. Though it had a poigant style, every character except that of kanika(guest role) crying was simply too much of an onslaught for a sane mind… Since then, i ve decided to be doubly careful Cheran’s projects.. and ur review confirms i wasnt entirely wrong..Zanny presentation.. Say hi to Smith as well..

]]> By: Karthik http://www.stochastica.net/2005/12/05/the-long-and-winding-bore/comment-page-1/#comment-2318 Karthik Thu, 08 Dec 2005 05:33:13 +0000 http://www.stochastica.net/?p=273#comment-2318 Vatsan, Disagree - respectfully. I loved Azhagi, and the first half of Autograph was bearable. I didn't exactly grow up in a village, but Thavamai's problem was not the setting: My dad, like most dads I'm sure - spent way more than his means to ensure that his kids got the best education possible, so I was able to relate to the movie ok. The problem with the movie was not the setting, or the plot or the characters - this one was the failure of a filmmaker to temper his desire to portray too much of everything; it was the failure of an editor to put his foot down and chop half the film away. It wouldn't have been an Azhagi if this had been done, but it wouldn't have been this boring either. Vatsan, Disagree – respectfully. I loved Azhagi, and the first half of Autograph was bearable. I didn’t exactly grow up in a village, but Thavamai’s problem was not the setting: My dad, like most dads I’m sure – spent way more than his means to ensure that his kids got the best education possible, so I was able to relate to the movie ok.

The problem with the movie was not the setting, or the plot or the characters – this one was the failure of a filmmaker to temper his desire to portray too much of everything; it was the failure of an editor to put his foot down and chop half the film away. It wouldn’t have been an Azhagi if this had been done, but it wouldn’t have been this boring either.

]]> By: vatsan http://www.stochastica.net/2005/12/05/the-long-and-winding-bore/comment-page-1/#comment-2317 vatsan Thu, 08 Dec 2005 04:38:32 +0000 http://www.stochastica.net/?p=273#comment-2317 i saw the movie and have reviewed it, i did find the movie boring at point and painfully slow, but come to think of it, the movie isnt aimed at me, nor anyone who is urbanised and has the urban mentality. it is made for the gramathan. the only reason autograph ran was for the first half in the village, people from rural areas, those who grew up there and arent urbanised could associate with the life shown on screen. once again in this movie, its aimed at those who grew up in rural areas, in villages, and for whom the struggles shown are very real, its not meant for people like u or me. i don now whether uve grown up n a village or not, but from ur review i notice that ur highly urbanised. i saw the movie and have reviewed it, i did find the movie boring at point and painfully slow, but come to think of it, the movie isnt aimed at me, nor anyone who is urbanised and has the urban mentality. it is made for the gramathan. the only reason autograph ran was for the first half in the village, people from rural areas, those who grew up there and arent urbanised could associate with the life shown on screen.

once again in this movie, its aimed at those who grew up in rural areas, in villages, and for whom the struggles shown are very real, its not meant for people like u or me. i don now whether uve grown up n a village or not, but from ur review i notice that ur highly urbanised.

]]> By: Karthik http://www.stochastica.net/2005/12/05/the-long-and-winding-bore/comment-page-1/#comment-2316 Karthik Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:07:11 +0000 http://www.stochastica.net/?p=273#comment-2316 Bart, do check it out. And let me know if you liked it. Given my poor track record, this one will probably sweep the National awards, get nominated for an Oscar and beat Chandramukhi at the Box Office. And yeah, a cell is a good idea. I bought a cool Dell Axim last week, I should've taken it in... Bart, do check it out. And let me know if you liked it. Given my poor track record, this one will probably sweep the National awards, get nominated for an Oscar and beat Chandramukhi at the Box Office. And yeah, a cell is a good idea.

I bought a cool Dell Axim last week, I should’ve taken it in…

]]> By: Bart http://www.stochastica.net/2005/12/05/the-long-and-winding-bore/comment-page-1/#comment-2315 Bart Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:41:16 +0000 http://www.stochastica.net/?p=273#comment-2315 Any emotionally-driven movie should suck the viewers in within first half an hour. Else the rest of the movie might stand out as a joke - the stuff you laugh at while it wasn't meant to be. I understand that the repetitive 'pool of tears' tore u down to pool :) I see the blog community is atleast unanimous appreciating the movie for its 'stand-out' qualities though it was aimed to be an outstanding one! Will check out the movie with a towel and cell :) Any emotionally-driven movie should suck the viewers in within first half an hour. Else the rest of the movie might stand out as a joke – the stuff you laugh at while it wasn’t meant to be. I understand that the repetitive ‘pool of tears’ tore u down to pool :)
I see the blog community is atleast unanimous appreciating the movie for its ’stand-out’ qualities though it was aimed to be an outstanding one!
Will check out the movie with a towel and cell :)

]]> By: Karthik http://www.stochastica.net/2005/12/05/the-long-and-winding-bore/comment-page-1/#comment-2314 Karthik Wed, 07 Dec 2005 07:22:20 +0000 http://www.stochastica.net/?p=273#comment-2314 I don't know if it will pick up any awards (it might) but it certainly doesn't deserve any. As for complete perspective - I can't think of anything to add :) I'll give you a hint though. On my cellphone, there is a crude version of Pool, and sometime after the long first half I started playing Pool and my wife was very interested in finding out if I beat the top score. The move was very repetitive, and that never fails to annoy me. I don’t know if it will pick up any awards (it might) but it certainly doesn’t deserve any.

As for complete perspective – I can’t think of anything to add :) I’ll give you a hint though. On my cellphone, there is a crude version of Pool, and sometime after the long first half I started playing Pool and my wife was very interested in finding out if I beat the top score.

The move was very repetitive, and that never fails to annoy me.

]]> By: Bart http://www.stochastica.net/2005/12/05/the-long-and-winding-bore/comment-page-1/#comment-2313 Bart Wed, 07 Dec 2005 07:13:12 +0000 http://www.stochastica.net/?p=273#comment-2313 Hey karthik, Good piece again.. But somehow the complete perspective on the movie is missing.. Tell me, will it pick something at National awards this year? Probably, thats what cheran was aiming at.. Hey karthik, Good piece again.. But somehow the complete perspective on the movie is missing..
Tell me, will it pick something at National awards this year? Probably, thats what cheran was aiming at..

]]> By: DoZ http://www.stochastica.net/2005/12/05/the-long-and-winding-bore/comment-page-1/#comment-2308 DoZ Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:54:36 +0000 http://www.stochastica.net/?p=273#comment-2308 "It was like reading Joyce while watching Will and Grace" That's the most perfect definition of torture I have come across yet :) & Thanks for the warning. I read a positive "critical" review of this movie somewhere, and was planning to watch it. Am still smarting from 'Me & You & Everyone Else we know". Two critically-acclaimed works in one fortnight would have just killed me. “It was like reading Joyce while watching Will and Grace” That’s the most perfect definition of torture I have come across yet :) & Thanks for the warning. I read a positive “critical” review of this movie somewhere, and was planning to watch it. Am still smarting from ‘Me & You & Everyone Else we know”. Two critically-acclaimed works in one fortnight would have just killed me.

]]> By: ravages http://www.stochastica.net/2005/12/05/the-long-and-winding-bore/comment-page-1/#comment-2307 ravages Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:10:16 +0000 http://www.stochastica.net/?p=273#comment-2307 LOL Incredible review man. You rock. LOL Incredible review man. You rock.

]]> By: F e r r a r i http://www.stochastica.net/2005/12/05/the-long-and-winding-bore/comment-page-1/#comment-2304 F e r r a r i Mon, 05 Dec 2005 11:32:10 +0000 http://www.stochastica.net/?p=273#comment-2304 Was planning to watch this movie. Now I wont :-) Thanks for the tip off. Guess it will be telecasted sometime mudhanmurayaaga in indiya tholaikaatchi ;-) Was planning to watch this movie. Now I wont :-) Thanks for the tip off. Guess it will be telecasted sometime mudhanmurayaaga in indiya tholaikaatchi ;-)

]]> By: teakada http://www.stochastica.net/2005/12/05/the-long-and-winding-bore/comment-page-1/#comment-2302 teakada Mon, 05 Dec 2005 10:45:31 +0000 http://www.stochastica.net/?p=273#comment-2302 <strong>The Long And Winding Bore</strong> My favorite pastime is talking to myself. Not many people know this, but I am actually two people: There lurks inside me this crass dude called Smith who thinks this blog is truckloads of bull and periodically tries to convince... The Long And Winding Bore

My favorite pastime is talking to myself. Not many people know this, but I am actually two people: There lurks inside me this crass dude called Smith who thinks this blog is truckloads of bull and periodically tries to convince…

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